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chavaf
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I agree with you on the aliyah thing Chaim, that issue's got very different factors involved.
I want to quote iknowhoiam for a second here though who asked the question "who are we to judge how they conduct themselves privately?" PRIVATELY. That brings this back to my original question. In the past, the lines of private and public (i.e. when there are chanichim around) were pretty clear. Now, it's not so clear. So where do we draw the line?
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If you're not around them in a Bnei Akiva setting governing the rules then it's private, chavaf.
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Ok, fair answer. So, like, in shul? Or schools that are heavy feeders to B"A? Those are ok?
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iknowwhoiam
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Of course, BA isn't a policing society.
The point is inclusion, not exclusion. Unless you're the Teacher of BA Basics class, in school a madrich can and should maintain his private life, whatever that entails.
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I brought this up to one of our former madrichot, who is home from bar Ilan for pesach, and she said that " A madrich who does not follow halacha outside of snif, will not be able to teach to chanichim inside of snif. They won't be as good of a leader."
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yeah, i don't think just because you're not in a ba setting doesn't mean its "private", you're setting an example no matter wat you're doing if you're interacting w/ your chanichim...no?
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well, I was only quoting a certain madricha, my own opinion stands, if it will impact the chanichim then its a problem. If in fact every single action a madrich takes affects the chanichim, then I'm in agreement with you.
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I'm assuming that these madrichim know the halachik standards that Bnei Akiva holds, but do they? Or could it be an issue of just not thinking about it when you're outside of Snif, and not noticing? Could they be aware what's there, and not care that their chanichim see it?
Is there anyway that to make madrichim more aware of what their chanichim see?
And a question specifically for iknowwhoiam: considering your vision of a madrich's role, what does the term dugma ishut mean? or ishiut l'dugma?
Edited by chavaf on 16-April-2007 at 4:03am
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heres my opinion it is clear that a madrich takes on two postions leading a great peulah and being a good role model you are not a good madrich without either one. Heres a senario what happens if we have a kid who looks up to his madrich then find out he is not shomer torah umitzvot. Its a let down a minute ago there was this really cool madrich who there chanich looked up to and now all of a sudden he becomes a busha to bnei akiva because parents find out and you lose this kid. is he really that good of a madrich now?
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Thing is, Bnei Akiva has pretty high standards (for the American Modern Orthodox world) of what it means to be shomer torah u'mitzvot. So do we get rid of any madrichim who don't conform to those standards? Do we not take on any madrichim who aren't shomer negiah, for example?
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