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Posted: 16-April-2007 at 4:15am | IP Logged Quote chavaf

Ok, so Bnei Akiva obviously pushes aliyah, first and foremost. But it would seem to me, that what we best TRAIN for is hadracha. So here's the question: Is that an ideal situation? Must a good chaver tnua be a madrich? If not, are we leaving enough room within the tnua for those not inclined to hadracha? Is that where we meant to put the emphasis?

(While it's occured to me before, this question was really inspired by an article by Avidan Freedman in kadima. On this website, under chinuch, go to publications, kadima, Oct 05 issue, "Hachshara in the 21st Century". Totally worth reading that, and other stuff on there if you've never noticed it before.)

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Posted: 18-April-2007 at 11:26pm | IP Logged Quote C_Gevary

come sniffim have very active chevraya bet activities unrelated to hadracha. I think ideally, a chaver tnua should be involved in hadracha, however if that is not his/her stringpoint, there should still eb room fro them within the tnua.
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Posted: 22-April-2007 at 4:45pm | IP Logged Quote insertnamehere

this past veida i was able to part of the ideology section and since i had about a 102-103 fever went eh final wording was passed about wat the ideal chaver is suppose to look like i dont' remember the exact words but if i do remember correctly the ideal chaver does not have to be a madrich, while clearly we support manhigut and hadracha and place emphasis on it, if one has other strengths and works for klal yisrael in that way, how is it any different then a madrich...

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Posted: 04-June-2007 at 8:43am | IP Logged Quote chavaf

Right, I was at the veida, and I remember them presenting it. It was also discussed in the "Snifim and Hadracha" committee. I think the idea was to find ways to make other work within the tnua as "presitgious" as hadracha is considered.

Chaim, you mention that some sniffim have very active chevraya bet activities, but I'm not sure that's what I was thinking of. Is what you have in mind primarily social and educational? I was thinking that there has to be other ways besides hadracha for people to give back and do something productive for the tnua. Like, maybe form committees for Israel activism, fundraising, chesed, publicity, Snif librarian (Just thought of that one. They could organize lots of educational resources for madrichim or something), maybe someone could do specifically aliyah oriented research and become an expert for people to consult, you could have one person in charge of logistics who could organize housing/transportation/meals/etc. for shabbatons and make sure there's food and a room for snif each week. That's just off the top of my head.

I think these roles could just provide a different outlet for leadership, that might be more appropriate for some people than hadracha, but would still allow them to be active and productive chavrei tnua.

Chaim, why do you think is hadracha to be prefered over any other of these leadership roles?

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Posted: 25-September-2007 at 4:42pm | IP Logged Quote runi1024

I see what you are saying, in most sniffim i think that the tzevet like to think that there is only one job for the tnua. Either you are on Hadracha or you are not. But what they have to realize is that there is a shade of gray, i could be on a comity, or be an active member of chevraya bet, the high schoolers involved in bnei akiva need to learn what they can do in the tnua. We are leaving room for them they just aren't getting involved.

yes leadership is very important but in order for bnei akiva to succeed we need to have the best qualified people doing their jobs. This being said if you aren't on hadracha find something that you know you can do for Bnei akiva, its not black and white, see the shade of gray!


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Posted: 26-September-2007 at 12:56am | IP Logged Quote chavaf

Exactly. So how do we make high-schoolers want to get involved in the other stuff? Why is hadracha such a more attractive job, and how do we make the other jobs equally attractive?
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Posted: 26-September-2007 at 3:14am | IP Logged Quote jskarf

Sometimes it's tough for those of us involved in Hadracha to understand this, but not everyone wants to do hadracha. Some people would rather have tafkidim that don't involve weekly commitments or getting up in front of chanichim.

When I was growing up in Detroit, one way we solved this issue was that people doing jobs other than hadracha were given a status comparable to a Rosh Chevraya, rather than to a madrich. So if you were picked to be in charge of Special Events, or Chesed, or Pirsomet, you were in the tzevet bachir.

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Posted: 08-October-2007 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote runi1024

We have official positions in our snif for things like Rosh chessed, rosh carnival, Rosh pisum, and such,

but when some one is told by the shaliach or mazkig galil, "we don't have a position for you yet but we need people to work on comities" that kind of turns people off for some reason, i don't get why, i would be fine with being a head of a committee if i wasn't already on hadracha.

But people are too black and white like I said before, We have to open the minds of the Tzevet who aren't haradcha, get them to see that they can do things for us and i don't mean just subbing in for us when we go out of town.


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